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  States of hypnosis - getting people to face facts

  by Qcmbr in

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  was looking at hypnosis ( always wondered why it works so well on some people - not because i want to convince everyone i meet to be my slaves - honestly ;) ) and i read something that stopped me in my tracks.

  the articles author stated that most of the time we are in a state of hypnosis which is no more than our automated systems taking over from our conscious ones for example, when we drive home and realise we didn't think too hard about driving we just 'arrive home' we are in a mild hypnotic state; when we get immersed in a movie and lose our sense of where we are we are in a suggestible world where we potentially get moved by what we see etc.

  all these are indicators of our conscious self focusing in such a way that our actual behaviours are handed over to our sub-conscious brain which is also our long term learning process.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi Quke,

  You make some very good points. Most make sense to me.

  Len
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  JW World Record - Youngest Baptism

  by soiledumpling in

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  please let me know the age of the youngest child getting baptised.. i knew of a girl of 11 years.. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  That six year old number is not speculation. There are no less than three Watchtower publication examples.

  In the summer of 1946, I was baptized at the international convention in Cleveland, Ohio. Although I was only six years of age, I was determined to fulfill my dedication to Jehovah. The Watchtower, 1992 3/1 p. 27

  In 1934, Mom and Dad were baptized. I too wanted to get baptized, and I kept insisting until Mother asked an older Witness to talk with me about it. He asked many questions in a manner that I could understand. Then he told my parents that I should not be prevented from being baptized; it might harm my spiritual growth. So I was baptized the following summer, when I was still six. The Watchtower, 1996, 8/1, p. 21

  A survey of the publishers in Ghana showed that 12 percent of the more than 50,000 publishers were between 6 and 20 years of age. Yearbook, 1998, p. 14

  Len Miller
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  I remember how I always preferred working alone door to door

  by gubberningbody in

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  2. friends

  i'd just stand at the door and not knock on it or ring it.

  if someone came, i'd make a presentation - "here's your tract!".

  otherwise i'd just wait a couple of minutes and then go to the next door and not knock.. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  I always dreaded the challenging householders and would reflect for days what I should've said differently. There were times that I would write the Society with the dreaded questions but never getting a satisfying answer. That was many years ago.

  Today, if I were still a JW, I'd hate to be presented with information from a handout inside THE GREAT WATCHTOWER CONTRADICTION.

  Len
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  Saturday Morning Service

  by Celestial in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a couple of months ago, i thought out plans to go out in field service because i was stimulated by my cousin who's married and has recently been appointed a ministerial servant.

  i thought to myself, if my life-long newly appointed ministerial servant cousin can knock on doors and present the watchtower and awake!

  so can i. so, i can at least progress toward a status other than inactive.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I'd do what I have several times in the past year, bring up THE GREAT WATCHTOWER CONTRADICTION. That linked essay asks a very profound question which perplexes even the most dyed-in-the-wool JW.

  Ooooh -- I'm so glad I don't have to go to the door any more.

  Len
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  Doomsday prophet admits error!

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  doomsday prophet admits error.

  harold camping, the elderly california preacher who found fame when he predicted the end of the world admits he was wrong.. "events within the last year have proven that no man can be fully trusted.

  even the most sincere and zealous of us can be mistaken," wrote mr camping, in a letter to listeners of his evangelical family radio program.. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  My late brother stuck with the original Worldwide Church of God when, in 1995 (circa), they made a major split. The new ones admitted a bunch of errors because in the form of doctrinal changes. Some 5,000 stuck with the original group. Like Camping, I believe they used the "apology" word.

  Yes, apology is one word that is not in WTBTS vocabulary. With the sheeples, however, that's different. That word is very important for them as they are in front of a judicial comittee. The GB, however, are exempt from wrongdoing and apologies.

  Len
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  Feb 2012 public WT - they dare to comment on Harold Camping!!!

  by Mickey mouse in

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  FatFreek 2005

  In the morning's news, Harold Camping admitted (on his web site) that he was wrong.

  Len
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  Hello Jehovah's Witnesses. I was in class 119 of Gilead in 2005

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  my picture is in the january 1, 2006 watchtower.. why am i telling you this?

  consider this my small weekend contribution to the cause of real truth.

  any jw who has been one for a while, or a born in, knows the regard that pioneers, elders, bethelites and missionaries have.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Good post ATJ. As many contributions as you have made here I would have thought you were an old-timer EX. We're all (well, most) very proud of the steps you must've taken to make your exit.

  As for me, my exit came as a result of the 1975 yearbook. I invite any here to check their own from the WT Library CD, looking for Anna McDonald's comments.

  Keep in mind this yearbook was obviously intended to stem the tide of disappointment -- that is, if the 1975 hype failed -- which, of course, it did. Poor old (yes, she was recounting her feelings of some 50 years earlier about the disappointment of the 1925 prediction) sister McDonald and how they used her fuzzy recollection of those years, the Rutherford predictions and how, in his words, "certain" they were about that date.

  Oh, Watchtower could have quoted Rutherford exactly from their vast library. Instead, they chose an elderly sister and her charming (and inaccurate) recollection of what they really said about 1925. This, knowing full well (and conceding that fact) that Rutherford had "made an ass of himself".

  That was the very thing that got me to thinking whether we had the truth or not. From there it was like a snowball tumbling down the mountain.

  Len
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  Reality setting in for Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by MrDarkKnight in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when my friends and family try to "reason" with me about my decision to leave, i immediatley begin to question the interpretation of the so-called prophecy in the bible, i am getting the following consistent response:.

  "it does not matter if the end comes in my lifetime.

  i know i am doing god's will.".

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  FatFreek 2005

  MrDarkKnight,

  Hmmm ... noting that you are a former Bethelite I've added you to the list. You bring our list up to a round 80.

  Fats
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  I need help "de-converting" my Dad! My Dad's Story....

  by garbonzo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi guys, i saw this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/209643/1/de-conversion-where-are-you.

  i've experienced them all and now i'm at 7).

  when i was at a 6) i didn't care and figured my dad would be happier believing in something false anyway, but i asked him if he would rather know the truth about something or not even if it will cost you saddness and he said he would rather the truth.

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  FatFreek 2005

  You may want to explore this 11 minute read, THE GREAT WATCHTOWER CONTRADICTION. While it's designed for potential Watchtower converts, it poses a simple question at the outset that can be very disturbing to even the seasoned JW.

  Len
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  THANK YOU Steven Unthank

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ohiocowboy has just posted this information on the two other threads dealing with the sudden collapse of the unthank cases.. i don't know steven unthank, but i just want to thank him from the bottom of my heart for having the courage against overwhelming odds to try and bring the watch tower society to justice over their deplorable neglect when it comes to protecting children from abuse and molestation.. steven is a man of justice and integrity who i deeply admire.

  his actions will never be forgotten, and i only hope he can find it within himself to continue his work in whatever avenue may become available in the future.. they have won this battle, but they can never win the war.. .

  cedars.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi Johnny2feet,

  If you know the proper use of ellipses I suggest you pass it along to the Watchtower writers. It's on record here where they quoted Nature (the periodical) back from the 90s. The first part of the quote was from one issue -- and following the ellipsis from an issue 5 issues (months) later.

  Len

  here's the link to that thread:
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/119545/1/Unethical-quote-from-Nature-the-magazine